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I have returned from darkness and quiet. I used to style myself as "Joe Claus", Santa Claus’ younger brother because that is what I still look like. I wrote my heart out about liberal politics until June of 2006, when all that could be said had been said. I wrote until I could write no more and I wrote what I best liked to read when I was young and hopeful: the short familiar essays in Engish and American periodicals of 50 to 100 years ago. The archetype of them were those of G.K. Chesterton, written in newspapers and gathered into numerous small books. I am ready to write them again. I am ready to write about life as seen by the impoverished, by the mentally ill, by the thirty years and more of American Buddhist converts, and by the sharp eyed people [so few now in number] with the watcher's disease, the people who watch and watch and watch. I am all of these.

Wednesday, May 18, 2005

This Is An Emergency Post

I have at least four separate essays in various states of completion on the political topics of the day. However something in my e-mail from a fellow Buddhist has made it imperative that I drop all of them.

There is a malignant story involving Buddhism and Hinduism spreading all over the Net. Moreover, it is a false libel of Pope Benedict XVI. It is intellectually dishonest and base rumor mongering, in the form of a supposed presentation of the Pope's views about Buddhism and Hinduism, expressed when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

I first encountered it in a form quoted from an unbelievably vitriolic article by Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of the world's largest circulation "progressive" Jewish magazine, Tikkun, and rabbi of Beyt Tikkun Synagogue in San Francisco:

In 1997 Ratzinger called Buddhism an "autoerotic spirituality" that offers "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations." Hinduism, he said, offers "false hope," in that it guarantees "purification" based on a "morally cruel" concept of reincarnation resembling "a continuous circle of hell." At the time, Cardinal Ratzinger predicted that Buddhism would replace Marxism as the Catholic church's main enemy.

But it has wormed its way into many other places on the Net than this.

I found the original of Benedict's statement, in French. It was an interview in L'Express magazine of April 1997, reprinted in April 2005. It consisted of short answers to interview questions.

First, as responses to an interviewer, I don't think it should be regarded as Benedict's total and complete view on anything. I also would note that he was speaking in the context of why a Catholic might be attracted to Buddhism, or believe in reincarnation, which is significantly different than the answer might have been if he had been asked directly about Buddhism or Hinduism itself.

Further, I have some experience with Benedict XVI's writing as Cardinal Ratzinger, and, with that background, and some graduate French reading knowledge, I can assure you that the actual sense and meaning of the original piece is far less harsh and pugnacious than the rumors about it make out.

I append below both the French original and my translation:

Do you fear that Catholics might lose their souls while dialoging with other religions, like Buddhism?

Dialogue between religions is necessary in a world becoming more unified. But the danger is that of a superficial dialogue. This is because relativism, which today has taken hold in the world, leads to a moral and intellectual anarchism where people do not accept a single truth anymore. To assert truth is now regarded as a mark of intolerance. However a true dialogue does not exist in a vacuum. It has as its goal a common search for the truth. A Christian cannot give up his knowledge of revealed truth, that Jesus Christ is the only son of God. If they are attracted to Buddhism, this is because it offers a possibility of happiness by touching the infinite, without having concrete religious obligations. It is, to some extent, a spiritual self-absorption. Somebody predicted in 1950, that the challenge to the Church in the 20th century would not be Marxism, but Buddhism.

What would you say to a Catholic tempted to believe in reincarnation?

This has a particular meaning in the Hindu religion, it means a path leading to purification. Out of that context, reincarnation would be morally cruel, because endless lives would be an endless hell.


Here is the original French, if anyone wants to try their hand at improving my translation:


Craignez-vous que les catholiques ne perdent leur âme en dialoguant avec d'autres religions, comme le bouddhisme?

Le dialogue entre les religions est nécessaire dans un monde qui tend à s'unifier. Mais le danger est que s'instaure un dialogue superficiel. Car le relativisme qui s'est emparé aujourd'hui des esprits développe une sorte d'anarchisme moral et intellectuel qui conduit les hommes à ne plus accepter de vérité unique. Affirmer sa vérité passe désormais pour une marque d'intolérance. Or un vrai dialogue n'est pas un mouvement dans le vide. Il a un but: la recherche commune de la vérité. Un chrétien ne peut pas renoncer à sa connaissance de la vérité, révélée pour lui en Jésus-Christ, fils unique de Dieu. Si le bouddhisme séduit, c'est parce qu'il apparaît comme une possibilité de toucher à l'infini, à la félicité sans avoir d'obligations religieuses concrètes. Un autoérotisme spirituel, en quelque sorte. Quelqu'un avait justement prédit, dans les années 1950, que le défi de l'Eglise au XXe siècle serait non pas le marxisme, mais le bouddhisme.

Que dites-vous à un catholique tenté de croire à la réincarnation?

Celle-ci a un sens dans la religion hindoue, celui d'un chemin de purification. Hors de ce contexte, la réincarnation est moralement cruelle, car ces éternels retours à la vie terrestre ressemblent à un cycle infernal.

I think anyone knowledgeable about Buddhism will agree that Benedict's views on reincarnation, at least as I have translated them, are much closer to the First Buddhist Noble Truth--"life is suffering"--than one would expect.

Benedict is clearly ignorant of the very real and quite concrete religious commitments you make in Buddhism, particularly of the five Lay Practice Vows, the 227 Monastic Vows, and the Bodhisattva vow.

He also does not understand how difficult Buddhist meditation really is, despite the fact that it looks from the outside like you are merely sitting and doing nothing. Most non-Buddhists are equally ignorant of this. Benedict, further, does not appear to understand that Buddhism makes an overwhelmingly radical critique of the very notion of a "self" to become absorbed in.

But Benedict in the above passage is in no way hostile or insulting to either Buddhism or Hinduism. Rabbi Lerner falsely presents him so.

Most importantly, I have translated "autoérotisme" as "self-absorption" because, in context, that is clearly what Benedict means in good idiomatic English. It should not, in my view, be translated by the English word "autoeroticism". Nothing in the context supports such a translation. Beyond this, I think the remaining errors in Rabbi Lerner's treatment of it should be self-evident.

Finally, I would point out that Rabbi Lerner's description of Benedict's views constitute an extreme danger to the Dharma practice of any Buddhist who encounters it with no basis for rational criticism of that description.

Upon a little reflection, this should make sense to anyone. Part of the commitments in our Lay Practice vows consist of avoiding irrational and arbitrary anger, aversion, or criticism for non-Buddhist religions. And part of the commitments of the Bodhisattva Vow consist of avoiding anger and aversion toward any sentient being whatever. Rabbi Lerner's comments are a clear case of coat-trailing to any Buddhist to break those vows toward Catholicism and Benedict XVI.

This is primarily why I have built up a full head of steam to take this issue on.

But there is another reason, which is abstract intellectual integrity.

In this matter, and probably in most of the other citations of Benedict's supposed "opinions" by Rabbi Lerner and others, the Pope is being wronged, and wronged in a way which is despicable.

I know most of my readers aren't Buddhist, and I suspect that most of them are Christian, since I tend to hang around and comment on Conservative Christian blogs. They do, after all, have a high density of people who are genuinely involved in their faith and personally good, to the degree that human frailty permits such things. And I find it great fun to comment when most of the other people there disagree with you.

So I say to any reader, Buddhist, Christian, or whatever, but most particularly to any Catholic reader, if my translation of Benedict's responses will help you defend him, please feel free to copy and use it--give me credit as the translator, and, preferably, use the entire selection--but take it wherever it is needful to defend your Pope and your faith.

117 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent work, Joe. I've linked!

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you very much for this defense of the Holy Father.

1:43 PM  
Blogger Julie D. said...

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1:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks so much, Joe. This was a great act of kindness to Catholics and Buddhists everywhere.

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Joe. I don't often agree with you, but this post is dead on. I am not a Buddhist. I am not a Catholic. I am a lover of Truth and you have helped the cause of Truth today.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have not read the whole interview. But Ratzinger's comments on lack of "concrete obligations" sound to me like they are directed more toward the denatured pop-cultural version of Buddhism than the serious way you are committed to.
The dissonance between fashionable "Buddhism" and actually existing Buddhism was trenchantly pointed out by a member of the Jesus Seminar in an essay on "If You Hate Christianity, You'll Loathe Buddhism" (published in the Christian New Age Quarterly.)

9:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think your translation was great, and I fully agree with your rendering of 'autoerotisme'. The original use of it had nothing to do with sex, and furthermore, all his comments were meant to apply to *Catholics*. That is, not even a person who's actually converted from Catholicism to Buddhism, but a person who is still a Catholic, but is "attracted" to Buddhism. He's saying that people like that, with little depth in their Christianity, are no deeper in their liking for Buddhism; they're latching onto it as a sort of "shortcut" to the divine, thinking that this is a method for getting what they want without all the pesky *physicality* that goes with Catholicism.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! Thanks a lot man. You gave me an enhanced view of Buddhism with this superb defense of my beloved Pope. God bless you for this and I'm very happy to shake your hand as a friend. This, from a Mexican Catholic man.

4:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for writing this. It's nice to see someone who can be critical of Pope Benedict without being hysterical. There are a lot of bizarre stories about the Pope going around, however, and I wonder if you have any information about another one: it's said that according to then-Cdl. Ratzinger, Thich Nhat Hanh is the antichrist. The accusation can be found here http://samsarashmamsara.blogspot.com/2005/04/chronique-dune-mort-annonce-suite-et.html
in a Matthew Fox article so enraged that it makes the Michael Lerner piece sound calm and rational. Naturally Fox doesn't cite any sources, and I can't find anything else about this.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the Cardinal Ratzinger interview of 1997, the phrase Bouddhisme is mentioned twice and the phrase ‘autoerotisme spirituel’ is mentioned but once:

“Si le bouddhisme séduit, c'est parce qu'il apparaît comme une possibilité de toucher à l'infini, à la félicité sans avoir d'obligations religieuses concrètes. Un autoérotisme spirituel en quelque sorte.”

In the Rabbi Lerner essay, the phrase Buddhism is mentioned once and the term, "autoerotic spirituality" again but once and in no other instances:

“In 1997 Ratzinger called Buddhism an "autoerotic spirituality" that offers "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations."

It appears that Rabbi Lerner is accurately faithful in translating Cardinal Ratzinger’s
statements from the French.

The only valid and accurate defense of Cardinal Ratzinger’s use of the term ‘autoerotisme’ requires in my view strict adherence to the Cardinal’s singular usage which is: ‘autoerotisme spiritual” (Un autoérotisme spirituel en quelque sorte.).”

How that fits in Joseph with your nuanced analysis, I’m not sure but I do agree with your accurate explanations of Rabbi Lerner’s other derisive rantings.

Thank you

12:16 AM  
Blogger Joseph Marshall said...

"a Matthew Fox article so enraged that it makes the Michael Lerner piece sound calm and rational"

I couldn't track it down either, but I did find Fox's blog on Blogger, so I asked him for the sources. We'll see if he posts or writes me back.

6:39 AM  
Blogger Joseph Marshall said...

"It appears that Rabbi Lerner is accurately faithful in translating Cardinal Ratzinger’s
statements from the French."

Translating it literally in this way violates the metaphoric and idiomatic character of any language.

Benedict is clearly speaking metaphorically. That is what "en quelque sorte" means.

There is no exact equivalent in English to his metaphor because it is built up to by the context which Rabbi Lerner tears it out of. To equate word for word distorts the sense of what Benedict is saying.

Though the literal definitions of both the English and French words are equivalent, the metaphor is not strictly translatable. So the wise translator, I think, opts for presenting the sense of the metaphoric statement being made.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cette remarque sur les métaphores est fine et juste. "Self absorption" me paraît bien traduire "l'autoérotisme" en question.Le site français où se trouve reproduit l'entretien donné à l'Express est celui de Jean-Pierre Petit.Je pense que JPP n'est pas du tout croyant. JPP est ingénieur et s'intéresse à une foule de choses.Il a un esprit inventif et original.

6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zoette, If one believes what you said, the discussion is fruitless. The apparently to be believed JPP articles ARE the source material under consideration.

Joseph,

Your are a kind man and I found this discussion most wonderful. I believe we mostly agree on all the issues. I have limited skill en francais. That ought be apparent.

I do not easily see Rabbi Lerner as making a serious error in translation on his enclosed quote.

But that is okay, you and I know where the gentleman stands on the other issues.

Peace

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voici des précisions sur les sources: en suivant le lien indiqué, on arrive à l'adresse www.jp-petit.com/Presse/interview_ratzinger.htm qui est le site de Jean-Pierre Petit. L'intitulé de la page est "Interview du cardinal Ratzinger donnée à l'Express en mars 1997" (from l'Express du 25/04/2005). Cet article a été chargé (loaded) sur le site de JPP le 7 mai 2005.
De là,et toujours sur le site de JPP, je vais sur le lien "Retour vers Nouveautés". La page s'ouvre sur une liste de nouvelles. En date du 7 mai, on trouve l'intitulé "Le pape contre les bouddhistes" qui renvoie à l'interview de l'Express.Ce sous-titre "Le pape contre les bouddhistes" n'est pas de l'Express, mais de JPP lui-même. J'ai cherché sur le site de l'Express, mais le n° du 25/04 est dans les archives qui sont payantes.
Joseph, merci pour vos commentaires.

1:59 PM  
Blogger Alan Gregory Wonderwheel said...

It's been over a year since this blog was written but I think the Pope's recent comments this month(Sept. 2006) about Islam show that your defense of him was over the top.

As his recent comments "quoting" a Byzantine Emperor show, his rhetorical tactic is to use "other's" comments to show his own thoughts while maintaining "plausible deniability" when challenged.

When he mentioned in 1997 that "Somebody had precisely predicted, in the 1950 years, that the challenge of the Church at the twentieth century would not be not Marxism, but Buddhism." he was speaking his own view. To call Buddhism a "challenge" in that context is clearly calling it the enemy of the Church as a godless religion just as godless communism had been portrayed.

I would translate his 1997 comment about Buddhism as "A self-stimulating spirituality, to some extent." That captures the real emotional and theological point of the insult which the intellectualized translation of "spiritual self-absrption" misses. Then Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope, believes that Buddhism is a godless spirituality and on that basis calls it self-stimulating in contrast to Catholicism which is a spirituality stimulated by "God."

In fact the Pope's entire edifice of spirituality is based on the his belief that it is true because it is a revelation of truth that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son and this truth comes from God and is not "self--stimulated" or self derived. In my view, his spiritually is irrationally and delusionally boot-strapped out of itself by reliance on revelation-as-fact which he claims has nothing to do with oneself, one's ideas or one's fantasies.

The Pope's faith is not based on reason as he claims but upon irrational mystical revelation interpreted literally. It is his literalism that he mistakes for objective Hellenistic "reason."

7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what he would think og PanDeism!! While PanDeism is not inherently a reincarnation-heavy belief system, some beliefs about reincarnation fit in with PanDeism, that is, with the idea that we are bits of the energy temporarily dispersed from God.... whatever energy goes into what could be called the human soul is indeed recycled, but not necessarily all at once....

Picture this: you have three cups of gatorade, one lemon-lime, one fruit punch, and one riptide rush (which is basically grape and therefore is a hazy purple).... these are the souls of some existing persons who die.... now, pour those three cups into a bowl and they will run together (and the color will probably be some unappetizing dark greenish-brown, but unimportant in this analogy).... now, pour out the contents of that bowl into three new cups, and you have created three unique new mixes, although you might be able to figure out how much of each original flavor went into each of the new blends, perhaps by taste alone!! But instead of a bowl we have an ocean, and a few billion cups (constantly going out and coming in), and you have the human race....

Of course, with the population constantly expanding you have "new" material (i.e. additional energy) being added to the mix all the time, mixed in with that of the old souls, which are getting stretched thin).... ultimately, every one of us has some drop of most every person who has lived before-- there's a little bit of Buddha in all of us, a little bit of Jesus, some of Moses and Muhammed and Confucious....

Perhaps bits and pieces of the previous memories and personalities survive, which would explain a lot of things, deja vu, strange dreams, some internal conflict and turmoil, even mental illnesses.... but I also think that some personality aspects would blend to make a particularly strong mix.... the point of such a process would be to improve the quality of these bits and pieces through mixing, cooking in the oven of life experience, then remixing and cooking some more.... like the folding and refolding of steel to cauterize impurities, perhaps the stuff that souls are made of is similarly purified, rarified, led to the point where it is worthy of rejoining God when the Universe meets its end!!

Bless Yourself!!

//// Pacific PanDeist

11:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for a very thoughtful post, which goes a long way to clarify Ratzinger's position.

I'm slightly puzzled by your translation of the last sentence of his first answer, though. You make it sound like Ratzinger mentions the prediction from the 50's without stating an opinion on its correctness, while the word justement makes it appear to me that he claims positive agreement with this position. Is there a subtlety I'm missing here? I admit that my French is a bit rough and ready.

_/|\_ namaste

3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looking back on it, I think you may be right. At the time I thought the sense of "justement" was closer to "precise" rather than "correct", though I did leave it ambiguous. I also interpreted "juste" in Zoette's comment in the same fashion.

Benedict has now had enough time to speak for himself as Pope and I still do not have the mental stamina to pursue his most recent statements. That is what anti-psychotic drugs do to you.

But what I have seen of them still derive logically from his confrontation with Kant's assertion that metaphysical truth is intrinsiclly unknowable, whose consequences for a Catholic would be to completely separate Faith from Knowledge . I frankly think that his preoccupation with Kant still keeps him from fully understanding that other religions have different intellectual approaches to the problem of metaphysical knowledge.

Buddhism categorically denies the existence of a permanent "knower". Starting from this standpoint, "metaphysical knowledge" is a pseudo-problem.

Thanks for stopping by.

Yours In The Dharma,

Joseph Marshall

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